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Hey sorry for the noob question but I've never looked into doing a brake upgrade. After reading peoples threads I see they install or change the prop valve I think its called? If I changed my stock 1.3 civic brakes over is it just plug and play or do I have to go and change other things like this valve thing? Obviously I will have all the front and rear components and I can get the brakes bleed. Thankyou.

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40/40 value is nice to have.

Bigger MC is what you need. People usually upgrade to a 1"

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Sorry I don't understand what a 40/40 is? the simpler explanation the better ha! Mc? 1"?! So sorry for my negligence.

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Mc is master cylinder, 1" is the size of it in width! They come from integra type r!! You need hand brake cables also.
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First off.... Which ITR are you taking the brakes off?

If you're going 96 Spec I think they're 262mm/242mm (front/rear). The hubs are also 4x114.

I know 98 Spec (UK) have 282mm/260mm but the hubs are 5x114 (as I have these)

You don't want 98 Spec (JDM) as the driveshafts on those are bigger and your driveshafts won't fit.

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Your brake setup should be:

13/16th" Master Cylinder and Servo
Prop valve (Unsure of a DX' size)
Front: 231mm Discs and 4x100 Hubs
Rear: Drum brakes and 4x100 Hubs

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If you're upgrading to brakes off an ITR you need to change the hubs regardless of the route you choose (as there are a couple of options)

1. Install EG6 hubs (which have 262mm front and 242mm rear) and remain 4x100 stud pattern. Then the ITR calipers will fit these hubs. But you'd then need to find the appropriate MG discs to match (282mm) and possibly shave the carriers etc etc (Search as there's lot of information on this)

2. The simple option is to use the ITR hubs. Bolt them onto your EG3 (as said make sure you don't get 98 JDM ITR with the bigger driveshafts). But of course you'd need to use EG6 handbrake cables and then upgrade the Master Cylinder and Servo to the ITR one, the prop valve too, and you'd also have to get the wheels with the hubs.

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Easier option again, is to use MGZR180 or MGZR160 calipers. Then you don't need to do any shaving. For disks EBC blanks from a 01 MGZS 180 2.5 V6 Job done. A lot less hassle than doing ITR hub swaps. You will need EG6 VTi Hubs though to do to the MGZS conversion.

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Less hassle?

ITR hubs is the easiest option IMO. Apart from the lack of cheap options when it comes to smaller wheels (for 5 stud)

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you've just proven my point.

If you do the ITR caliper swap onto VTi hubs, generally you'll be doing a bit grinding on the caliper to clear the wheel (depending on width and offset)

Do the ITR hub swap and you have the agro of getting butt raped for some 15inch 5stud wheels, which if was a 4x100 wheel it's be 100-200 quid cheaper. ITR hub swap also costs more to get hold of over a VTi hubswap. Easier to get hold of probably, but does cost more, purely because it's got type-R tax on it.

MB6/96spec hubs again, even easier again, but again even more agro of buying 4x114 wheels and being quite limited too. Though that particular design suits the EG extremely well IMHO.

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IMHO, I would go the eg vti 4x100 hub route, all calipers upto ATR type R will fit, no shaving just shimming.
My eg6 started with standard calipers, first upgrade ITR, you must get the 1inch mc as you will have a long pedal, (not enough fluid filling the calipers), I then went ATR with 300mm disks.
The mgzr160 disks are a good way forward.

Hope that helps

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http://www.ebay.co.u...8#ht_500wt_1287

This is the link to ebay of the brakes if it helps? thanks you for the quick replys!

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LOL at the adjustable suspension

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Mate if you get all that for £350 its a bargain. I paid £200 for my EK9 wheels alone. And I think I paid another £300 for the hubs and brake setup.

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yeah I don't need the suspension just the wheels and hubs and set up - I doubt I will get it for £350, I think I'll go to like 500/600.

If I bought this set up what else would I need to get on a civic eg?

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Oh I just realised it's quite local to me.

I wouldnt say it will go for that much. For one the wheels aren't lightweight if they're OEM ITR. Two tyres are dead it says. They've had a shit spray job which IMO devalues them.

Just noticed it doesn't state condition of calipers/bushes/bearings/balljoints... or whether it comes with the rubber hoses (as you'll need the rears for sure)

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Yeah I know that they were teg wheels :D

hmm now you mention it! Okay maybe scrap the idea of these but in the future I will need to put ITR conversion on.

The info you've gave me so far is gold so thank you very much for the help (:

Very appreciated. Christopher.

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To sort of sum it up.

Originall my EG5 was:
242mm front
240mm rear
13/16th Master Cylinder
Not sure what bias valve but I haven't changed that
Rubber hoses

I upgraded to an EG6 VTi setup:
Swapping front hubs for EG6 ones which have 262mm fronts
Rears are the same
15/16th Master Cylinder and Servo
I changed to braided lines at the time too

I then went ITR 5 stud setup so:
Swapped front hubs to 98 Spec UK ITR with 282mm brakes
Swapped rear hubs to 98 Spec UK ITR with 260mm brakes (Using EG6 handbrake cables)
1" Master Cylinder and Servo
Same brake lines.
And obviously 5 stud wheels

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Stupendous. this has pretty much cleared this area up for me!

Thanks to all who helped out :D. Christopher.




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